A Pub, Some Prayers, & A Lot Of Listening
It’s been 3+ years since this photo was taken by a reporter for the Virginian-Pilot.
The White Horse Pub brings back a whirlwind of memories.
Every Tuesday night for almost a year.
Arrive at 4:00ish, and roll out around 9-9:30pm.
All because… we were a church, in a bar.
Well, we were a church who held services in 3 different locations.
In a bar at Pembroke Mall on Tuesdays, and Sundays at Ocean Lakes High School and Cinema Cafe in Greenbrier.
Over 3 years later, and after a great deal of prayer, we are back to a single location (Ocean Lakes on Sundays).
So, what did you learn from doing multi-site and church in a bar?
Multi-site:
- It’s extremely difficult. Take everything you’ve studied, read, and heard… then increase it by 45-50%
- It stretches you, but in a good way. You begin think anew when it comes to first time visitors, volunteers, teams, etc. This helped me so much.
- No matter how well you plan, problems will show themselves quickly. Our filming of the message was a love/hate relationship. Actually, the scheduling of speaking in general for three locations was just tough.
- I learned to pour a lot of love into volunteers. You have to since you cannot be at every campus, every week. Volunteers are what make things like this happen!
- You have to do multi-site out of growth, not to promote it. If you’re not busting at the seams where you are, & haven’t already exhausted every avenue of multiple services, and space- then don’t do multi-site. Because, if you aren’t growing rapidly now, adding another
monstercampus to the mix isn’t going to somehow make you’re church more attractive to people. The newness of it will, for a moment. But, it will fade quickly and so will their involvement with your church. - Multi-site teaches patience. I learned so much during the multi-site years. With the new technology and resources available, it’s enticing to swim in the multi-site waters. The patience comes when you have to learn all new systems, concepts, technology, and strategies to make it work for your situation.
- Video teaching doesn’t work for everyone. It can work for some. It’s been done great all over the country by people. It just didn’t completely work for us. We had people who would come to the Cinema Cafe Campus, and then weeks later place themselves in the live setting at Ocean Lakes. They just preferred a live pastor. Personally, I love seeing someone live. I understand where they’re coming from.
- Multi-site isn’t for everyone. As God’s church moves here at Forefront, would I be totally against it in the future? No. Would God have to confirm it with our elders and leadership without a shadow of doubt, that it was the only route for us to take? Absolutely. God has to be the center. As much as we want to impact our community, we know God’s work through Forefront cannot be hindered by us chasing a dream of ours instead of His. We always have felt that way in leading Forefront, and will continue to in the future.
Church In A Bar:
- I loved it. The smell of beer and grease as the band would get into the music and people would bob their heads to songs that were about God and His love. It was such a cool thing to be a part of. Honestly, it felt like we were trailblazers (although many have done this very thing before). People were shocked that we would do such a thing in Va Beach. It revived many of us in leadership to know we were doing what God laid on our hearts.
- Many church leaders are scared to try things. Mainly because of what other Christians would think. If you make decisions based on other Christians as opposed to what God is calling you to do, you’re damned from the start.
- I learned to love and appreciate the speaking talents of Vince Antonucci. Also, while I’m not into the style of music (I like more hardcore/indie stuff), Joe Heilman knew how to move the room and connect with them. The chemistry between the service and people there was interesting. I had to stash those nuggets away and learn from them as I helped run the volunteer team behind the scenes.
- “Shock and Awe” doesn’t win people to Jesus, it simply fills seats. The barrage of media attention and calls we received was almost entirely what we expected. Christians telling us we were going to Hell, people far from God packing the place out to have a beer and see what it was about. But, when the novelty wears off, it’s still church. There’s nothing really all that “cool” or “hip” about doing church in a bar/pub. We still addressed sin (even about being drunk or addicted), and discussed life past the confines of a bar stool and the daily grind.
- Life change happens in relationships. We had people who came to know God and were baptized from our pub campus. Every single one of them happened because their was some type of involvement outside of the “weekly service.” Lunch. Hanging out after small group. An email. Phone call. Just simply attending a service (no matter where you have it), won’t change your life. The preaching of the gospel or “good news” is the starting point where the Holy Spirit moves people. It’s through that relational interaction that we see it go from a prompting to a life changing decision to accept Christ and experience as God turns us into a new creation. Essentially, raising us from the dead life we were existing in before Him.
- No matter how hard you might try, good things end too. The White Horse Pub on Tuesday Nights was bitter sweet for me. It was amazing to watch people come to God and be baptized, but in another real sense, it ran it’s course. I took karate when I was 9, you know the free lessons people could win from Chuck Norris Karate Studios. Well, I kept at it for a little while after, but… it wasn’t too long before it was just done. And that was alright. It had it’s time. And… the pub campus had it’s place. It reached people. It put us in a place to love others who many Christians would never find themselves in contact with. I mean seriously, how many churches are having baby showers for pregnant bar-tending, strippers? God put us there to love on her, the owner, the bar tenders and wait staff. It was God’s time to shine. He worked magnificently. It was amazing to watch.
- Having service in a place that has temptation, showed people’s struggles. When there’s plenty of brew flowing, things happen. We had to tell volunteers that they couldn’t be a part of the team there because they struggled with alcohol addiction. Some of them even left the church entirely. It was painful. As a team, we had to minister to them and look out for them. It taught us how to be more aware and present when it came to seeing people’s needs and struggles. We had to hold people accountable. People don’t always like it. Crap, sometimes they HATE it. But, just as we’re called to love everyone, we are told to hold our brothers and sisters in Jesus accountable. That’s tough. No way of getting around it. But, it has to been done in love. Even then, it doesn’t always end well.
- Maybe it was less about the service, and more about what God was trying to teach his people. People came to God, we ruffled some conservative feathers (not on purpose), and God was honored. But, looking back, I think Forefront learned a whole lot more than the community did. How we worship God matters. People, above all programs, ideas, and things, matter. Everything we do must first stem from His plan, and no matter what people might think, we must follow Him.
It was an exciting time then, and it’s an exciting time now.
Every week people are getting baptized and Heaven is celebrating.
God has some very tough, but amazing things on the horizon for His church at Forefront.
We’ve overcome odds that were completely stacked against us.
Why?
Because God is for us. His work doesn’t end.
It may take on different forms (i.e. Vietnam, Mexico, Haiti, Joplin, P.I.N., Crisis Pregnancy Center, etc).
But, His work in you, me, and our community is far from finished.
So thankful and humbled to be where I am.
Thank you for enduring the journey, God has some great things in store.






